Breaking stereotypes: you’re doing it wrong
by doorhalfopen
One reason why I started this blog was to provide a bit of an in-between perspective on certain issues. One thing that I’ve experienced a lot while growing up is Asian stereotypes (good and bad) and how people react to them. From what I’ve personally observed, people can generally be placed in one of three groups when it comes to stereotypes.
- They are completely unaware of these stereotypes. This seems to be very common amongst immigrants because naturally they wouldn’t know what other groups are saying about them.
- They know about the stereotypes, but it doesn’t really affect them.
- They are aware, and they make a conscious effort to let people know that they do not fit the stereotypes.
I can’t say I know the solution to ending stereotypes. However, I firmly believe that the third option is not beneficial–perhaps even counter-productive–to this cause. To make myself clear, I am not referring to people who simply express that they don’t fit a stereotype. I am talking about people who make it a point to make sure everyone knows. This sort of behavior appears to be picking up steam as more people are aware of Asian American issues. I appreciate the spirit and intention, yet there are better ways to do it.
I’ve seen examples of this very early on in life. I used to go to Chinese school once a week, and throughout the years I encountered a lot of students who really did their best to be different from their parents. They didn’t want to speak a single word of Chinese in class. They were disgusted by any mention of Asian pop culture. During the Chinese New Year celebrations they would refuse to partake in any of the activities. We already know about certain stereotypes at a young age. I remember that the students sometimes joked about how cheap our parents were or the bad accents they had. They were embarrassed by these stereotypes. By showing everyone in the class that they hated everything about Chinese school, they felt more American.
Fast forward to modern ways of communication. There are blogs and videos about virtually any subject we can think of. As a hobby, I frequent some of the sites that focused on Asian American issues, and I see the same behavior. The most common example I can think of is regarding Asian American masculinity. This seems to be a very sensitive subject that can spark heated discussions everywhere. From what I’ve seen, these discussions usually start with some well thought-out arguments or suggestions. Somewhere along the line people hop in and start commenting about themselves. They are good in bed. They are assertive. They have a large manhood.
That tells us a lot (or even a little too much) about these anonymous posters. But what does it mean? First of all, we give very little credibility to anonymous posts like this on the internet. More importantly, they are presenting themselves as an outlier, which weakens the very argument they are trying to make.
Let’s take one of the examples above. If I am a person who truly believed the penis stereotype, then having a few people tell me that they have large penises isn’t going to change that. All that it would tell me is that some of these people are speaking out because they believe they are out of the norm. If they believe they are out of the norm, then my belief in the stereotype still holds.
In other words, instead of breaking the stereotype with the posts these people can actually be contributing to it.
I’ve been to a forum where community members complain about all roles that Asian men have in American media. The reason? Because they are not an ultra-masculine pimp with a muscular body who gets the girl. I think this is ridiculous. True, portrayals of Asian men in American media is pathetic, but it is due to the narrow selection of roles available. If the community on accepted Asian Rambo roles, won’t this just create the Asian Rambo stereotype? One can argue that this is a better stereotype, but it is a stereotype nonetheless.
My proposal is this: the only way to truly break stereotypes is to show everyone that we are as different and diverse as anyone. We do have shy men in our community who are not good in bed. We also have the opposite. And everything in between. And the only way to do this is to go about our lives with confidence, correcting ignorant people when necessary. Don’t force it. Trying too hard, too fast will only mean that Asian Americans are trying to be something other than ourselves. And if we are not ourselves, then we are just going to create new stereotypes.
I have a large penis–so do many of my Asian buddies (not that I checked myself).
lol @David, did you actually read this post??……
I often hear (in “real” life, and on the net) Asian guys say “I’m not your typical Asian guy.” It makes me cringe every time. First of all, what is “typical” for such a huge number of people, coming from many different cultures? Secondly, the way I see it, saying “I’m not your typical Asian guy” is just as bad (if not worse) as a non-Asian spewing out racial stereotypes about Asians. It’s like saying “Yes, the other Asians are all the negative things you think they are, and you are justified in bashing and insulting them. But, I am not like that, so please accept me! I denounce anyone who looks like me – will you please let me into your club now?” It’s so sad.
Maybe we can do something to change the public perception of Asian men, through media and politics. But when it comes to individuals, any change requires deep soul searching, which is something that a lot of people are unwilling to do. I really believe that if we look carefully, race doesn’t even exist. Still, a lot of people wouldn’t even bother to look.
That’s a good point. When someone says “I’m not your typical…” they are also reinforcing stereotypes. I don’t encounter that a lot in my life personally, but people don’t need words to express it sometimes.
Yup, often words are not even necessary.
When I was younger, I had a strong need to prove to the people around me that I am not “a typical girl from the Balkans.” The stereotypes associated with girls from the Balkans used to affect my self esteem a lot, but I finally grew tired of trying to prove that I am a real person, not a bunch of skewed perceptions about a culture. It took some hard work though. First I had to stop believing those stereotypes myself. The rest was easy.
As for Asian guys, I’m really glad to see that more and more people are vocal about the stereotypes, but vocal in a helpful way. For example, Beau Sia, Tak Toyoshima, the Wong Fu guys…
There’s some things I disagree with this post and some parts I agree. First a point of clarification. You said: “They know about the stereotypes, but it doesn’t really affect them”
I think what you mean more precisely is that they know about the stereotype but they are not bothered emotionally by it. Unless you are a hermit (and even they may be affected in some way or another), everyone is affected by pervasive stereotypes in one way or another.
Moving on. You said: “I can’t say I know the solution to ending stereotypes.”
The “solution” to ending stereotypes is easy. That’s not the problem. The problem is how best to implement those solutions. Accuracy, better representation (in all forms of media) and political engagement all contribute. But I do think you make a good point that some ways of ending stereotypes are much more effective than others and some people who have tried to end them have unintentionally fostered the very stereotypes they tried to end. Your example of the people that are on web forums may sometimes be good examples of this though overall, I would say that it too hard to tell how much internet discussions/rants about them has contributed to reaffirming the stereotype or diminished it or had no effect. I think they may have contributed to awareness to the problem which may help to eventually end these stereotypes and that this contribution to awareness should not be undervalued. It’s also a fact that sometimes people contribute to the spread of a stereotype unintentionally by trying to refute it when they introduce the stereotype to others who may never have even heard of it before (a kind of “Streisand effect”). When this happens, the person who hears it may subsequently be “primed” to view the world differently and according to the stereotype.
But sometimes talking about it constructive at least does have the effect of reducing the stereotype by making people aware of them and scrutinizing them.
I also agree with you that it would be far better to *show* counter examples to stereotypes than to merely talk about them. Psychology studies over the last 40 years on stereotypes have shown that it only takes a few salient counter examples to indelibly change a person’s stereotypes of some group. But psychology has also shown that it is quite easy for people to learn new stereotypes through only a few salient examples.
Thanks for the comment!
How affected someone is will always be relative. In this case, I mean that they are comparatively not too bothered by it.
In your second point, you actually worded the point that I was trying to make very effectively. In the end, if you are working toward the solution then you are inevitably working on how to implement the solution. We agree here; we just have different ways of expressing it.
Didn’t really think about the “streisand effect”. Thanks for posting that.
Asian stereotypes vary from country to country. While in the US we have the reputation of being over-educated, here in Mexico we are seen as semi-literate peasants (and there’s some element of truth to it).
I didn’t know about Asian stereotypes in Mexico. You are right; stereotypes do depend on where you are. Since the Western/American media is so dominant worldwide, however, I focus on these stereotypes on my blog. That, and I am an American so I can only speak for myself and others from a similar background.
After re-reading my post, I realize I made some factual errors. Only Chinese are viewed as semi-literate peasants. Indeed, the bulk of Chinese inmigrants in Mexico consist of rural Cantonese restaurant owners. I’m the only Chinese in town that 1)can speak Mandarin 2)has clean teeth 3)holds a college degree. In fact, prior to the 1970′s, Chinese inmigrants in the US weren’t the most academically driven bunch either.
Very good points. I also cringe when I hear people say, “I’m not you’re typical Asian…”
The biggest problem that AAs have is that our community is still divided down ethnic lines. Mainly because the large majority of Asians in America are immigrants, so it doesn’t help when we’re busy fighting each other for the “most model minority” position.
Because then you’ll have Chinese folks saying, “Oh, we’re not like that, it’s the Koreans,” and Koreans saying, “We’re not loud at all compared to the Cantonese!”
The funny thing is that all Asian groups can agree that the Japanese are quite, polite, and united but yet somehow also cruel, weird, and strict!
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